It's time for episode 653 of the clockwise podcast from Relay recorded Wednesday, April 22nd, 2026.

Clockwise.

Four people.

Four tech topics.

30 minutes. Welcome back to Clockwise, a podcast that I wound in 2013, and somehow it's still ticking.

I am your host emeritus Jason Snell back because Dan Moran is out of the country, and that

means legally I am bound to co-host clockwise across the internet for me is one of your regular

usual hosts, Micah Sargent. Hi, Micah. Hello, Jason. Thank you for being here. Of course.

I love it. I love it. I love being able to host clockwise without having to do it every week. It's great. It's like being a grandparent, I would imagine, right? Like, play with the baby all you like, and then you go home. And then there's no more baby. It's kind of brilliant. I'm looking forward to that part of my life. It's, uh, uh, anyway. So I guess what I'm saying is clockwise as my grandchild.

I love it.

And you give it lots of cookies and, uh, and popsicles and other things. Yeah, I don't care. What do I care? Right. Like we, we, we, we, I miss this show up when I'm here and then you and Dan have to clean it up next week. It's fine. This is the podcast where we talk about

Foretech topics very quickly.

And to my left on this virtual table we have,

it is VFX supervisor at Sandwich.

Dan Sturm, Dan, welcome back to clockwise.

Thank you.

I'm glad to be here and be your substitute Dan for the week.

We've got to have one.

And to my left, chief podcaster at podfeet.com, the wonderful Allison Sheridan. Hello, Allison. Two dance. A lot of people. Oh, there you go. I got a Dan. I highly recommend that whole grandparent thing, Jason. It rocks. It's just as fun as it looks. I'm not going to rush to get there, but I'm sure I'll get there. All right. Well, let's get started. I will kick us off with the first topic since I'm in the lead position today, because Micah made me do that, which Dan like never makes me do. But Micah's like, nope, you've got to go, Jason. So here I go. I was reading, there was a lot of discourse. I defended spotlightlight in, in, in, in, uh, in, uh, Maca West Tahoe. I switched to it from launch bar for a while, although I recently switched back, um, wrote about that. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. the internet's friendly snowman wrote about how he tried it and it was just too slow and he went back to launch bar as well. I was just curious thinking of app launchers

and stuff. If all of you use an app launcher of some kind to make it faster to get stuff open on

your computer. And if so, which one? How do you use it? And if you don't, what are you doing?

And why not? Dan? Just like you and our friend, Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr.

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