So today is a really special podcast because I have two guests. I have Steve and Dave, the happy pair.

They are really inspirational and if you're not excited about food after this podcast, you never will be.

We talk about how to eat well, how to have a good life and more importantly how to be happy. So enjoy.

So you're both here in the studio. We did a podcast a while ago,

but you were remote, but I have met you many times it feels like in real life, but you're now

here in London and it's great. Yay! Yay! It feels really, really lovely to be hearing this.

It seems like my living room. Jack has made it like my living room with some pictures around. It's all very nice. Yeah, your husband looks great in that one back there. With his short hair. So, Steve and Dave, the happy pair. We just want to talk about, like, how to be healthy and happy. Because the older I get, the harder it is, actually. You think the harder it is? I don't find it so hard, but I think it's harder for people to change. And I think there's a lot of noise out there. People are like, oh, what do I eat? What do I exercise? What do I do? And it's interesting because someone recently said to me, all you do is talk about hormones. And I was like, hang on, like the non-negotiables in my life are eating healthily, exercising. I still do yoga. I still do my headstands. I don't eat processed foods. I don't drink alcohol. I don't smoke. I don't do caffeine. And they're like, what, what? What'd you get your fun from? Yeah, precisely. I don't have fun.

But it's like, that's really important for me.

And the more I talk to some people, the more I realize people don't have those lifestyles and they don't know where to start. Do you see what to mean? And it's like, you can look at you two and go, oh, it's so easy for them because they look super healthy.

They eat really well.

They've got good genes.

They've got good genes.

Yeah, and all that stuff.

They live by the sea.

Yeah.

I don't live by the sea. Yeah. We were talking earlier and I was kind of saying, I think we need to rebrand vitamin C and call it like community. The sea stands for community because we forget like as humans that that were social species. And when I say community, it doesn't necessarily mean people. It could mean connecting to the land. It could mean plants. It could mean an animal. But it's this sense of that we're a product of our environment. Like if you live in a place where people love to drink beer and love to have chips and love to eat donuts and love to talk politics, you're probably going to end up doing something similar.

Whereas if you hang out with friends who are, you know, they love to run and exercise and talk about vegetables and wonderful things like that, you're more likely to do that more often.

And I think it's this is often forgotten. Many people go, it's eat the vegetables and it's exercise. But I think it's the single biggest thing that you can do is to find people that live the way you want to live. Yeah, which sounds like a cliche. I would probably say that I think it's, it's a case of like, if I look at our lifetime we were discussing coming up

here kind of saying that when we used to trick-or-treat at Halloween time we used to get satsumas and monkey nuts and apples and we might get a couple of sweets. What's a monkey nut? Monkey-knows like a peanut in a shell. Like we're 46 and recently we were trick-or-treating with our kids and you know within an hour they had and theo had something

like four kilos of chocolate bars and 196 little bars like and it's like that was in an hour

and you're kind of going like that's just an analogy of how our food cultures change in our

lifetime and it's not surprising that over my lifetime obesity rates have gone from 5% to nearly 30%.

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