So Avran Blooming, I feel very excited to have you back on my podcast.

This is the third time.

And we met many years ago before the podcast started.

And I was in London at the Royal Society.

I was giving a lecture and you were there.

And you just helped me open my eyes because sometimes in medicine

when you think differently you have doubts and you think really it's so obvious maybe I'm

missing something and then you came and you had just written your book Eastergen matters

and you had some slides that just had a few sentences on, very few

about estrogen and heart disease and osteoporosis dementia. And I just thought, wow,

he's just speaking a language, but you're just so, it's also obvious, but it's become so

confusing. So, so you have from a very esteemed oncologist,

physician, a thinker, very inspiration. And actually, you, you, you don't know it really,

but you are great mental to me because you're so solid in how you are. And when I wobble,

I just think about you and it really helps me.

But let's just think about estrogen.

It's a hormone.

Hormones are chemical messengers that have a role in our bodies.

And somehow, for the last 30 years, especially or so, maybe 40 years, people have become very scared

of our own hormone.

And it just feels a bit weird almost.

If I didn't know any medicine at all and didn't know any politics, didn't know any history,

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