Welcome back to the Diet Doctor Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Brett Schur. Today I'm joined by Gary

Tobb, so I should say rejoined because I was, I had the privilege of interviewing Gary to kick

off the Diet Doctor podcast, episode number one. And now he, he, here he is back for another episode.

Thank goodness we didn't scare him off the first time that he was willing to come back for another episode. Thank goodness, we didn't scare him off the first time

that he's willing to come back for another episode. And it's such a pleasure to interview him

because, I mean, let's face it, if you have any knowledge of low carb, it likely has been traced

back to Gary Tobbs in some way. You know, you can think of the modern revolution of low carb,

started with Dr. Atkins,

and then sort of fizzled out and then was reignited by Gary Tobs with this 2002 article in the New York Times magazine,

followed by his book, Good Calories, Bad Calories, and then other very important books as well,

why we get fat, the case against sugar, and now he's back with

another book, The Case for Keto. And we discuss about his sort of rationale, why he wrote this,

who he wrote this for. And you can see it's a very personal journey, but at the same time,

he really tries to paint the picture of who this book is for.

And he interviewed over 100 physicians and clinicians about this book to get their experience.

He knows the literature.

But he sees it from an outsider's perspective because he's not a scientist.

He's not a physician.

And some people are going to criticize him for that.

And some people are going to recognize that that's a strength of his because he's not

sort of entrenched in the dogma and the status quo.

And he doesn't sort of have a dog in the fight, so to speak, because of the way he's been

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