It's time for episode 610 of the Clockwise Podcast from Relay, recorded Wednesday, June 18th, 2025.

Clockwise, four people, where sometimes you come up with the intro on the fly.

Today is one of those days because we are moving fast and not breaking a thing.

I am one of your hosts.

My name is Micah Sargent and I am joined across the internet by my dear friend, my good pal.

It is Dan the man Morin. How you doing, Dan? I'm doing okay. You're not even breaking a sweat. I mean,

nothing. We're breaking nothing. Well, okay. There could be a sweater. I'm breaking the dance, as it were. No news. No news. No news to break.

Okay. But, yeah, dance. We'll do that. Okay. While we break- You can't see, but we are dancing.

We're breaking the camera and breaking the dance. There we go. Let me go ahead and introduce the first of our two awesome guests. To my left, founder of Lex Friedman consulting and author of many puzzles. If you guessed it was Lex Friedman, you guessed correctly. Hello, Lex. Hi, and I don't know if it matters to anybody, but it spelled fried man. Just thought I put that out there.

That's handy.

I didn't really.

To my left this week, it is Business Unicorn and Relay Community Manager and host of

conduit on this very here podcast network.

It's Kathy Campbell.

Welcome back, Kathy.

Hello, Dan, and everyone else.

Thank you so much for having me.

Always pleasure. In her case, it's spelled Camp Bell. It is true. It is true. Mine is spelled

more N. Like, you don't have enough N? You need more N. I guess mine is Sargent. Weird. Weird.

Sargent. Anyway, Sargent. Sargent. Okay. Sargent. Oh, there you weird, sargent.

Anyway, Sargenti, like Windows. Oh, there you go.

Sarge NT.

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