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Okay. Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. This is Jim Clementi, retired FBI profile, former New York City prosecutor, right, producer

of criminal minds and bluebeard on Audible

and Fanlifer.

Anyway, and with me today is...

Kathy Canning Mall, a retired FBI agent and profiler, and tell us about your location and what's

going on in the background.

Well, I am doing a cross-country trip in my van and you can see I'm in my

little mobile podcast booth here and it is, it's pretty cool. I mean, I'm in the middle of somewhere

in the middle of Arizona and actually not

middle, more like the edge near New Mexico. And it's pretty interesting. First of all, I love the

scenery. The jagged mountains, Forest, State Parkway.

That was awesome.

Just some amazing stuff that I didn't anticipate seeing.

It was also a time when I drove over a canyon and I'm in the van so I'm sitting up high

and good Lord, I was a little bit like, ah, because it just it just seemed you know and then also when you're

driving over that bridge by the hoover dam it says it says high profile vehicles stay in the left

...