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Okay. Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. This is Jim Clementi, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor and writer-producer

of criminal minds and Bluebeard on Audible.

And with me today is Kathy Canning-Meller, retired FBI agent and profiler and co-host of the Audible podcast, FBI Profileers Criminal Archives with my dear friend, Jim Clemente.

How you doing? All right. So, Kathy, you wanted to talk about a particular case today?

Yeah, so I thought it was really fascinating what's happening in our criminal justice system as it relates to our gun culture.

And another case just happened last week, wherein a father of a school shooter was convicted of a crime.

In this case, he was convicted of second-degree murder, two counts of second-degree murder and two counts of involuntary manslaughter,

18 counts of cruelty to children, and five counts of second-degree murder and two counts of involuntary manslaughter, 18 counts of cruelty to

children, and five counts of reckless conduct. So the court systems are now, criminal justice system,

are now holding parents responsible, right? A couple of years ago, there was another case,

which was the first case in which we saw parents being held responsible.

Right, the Crumley.

And that was the Crumley case.

Yeah.

And the James and Jennifer Crumley, the parents of Ethan Crumley, were convicted of manslaughter in that case.

And in this case, he's being convicted of second degree

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