R the humano papachango Oh, Hey Chris, my name is John. I'm sitting here on a snowy rock bluff in Vancouver, British Columbia looking up at some eagles

floating around. Had a tiny microdoza mushrooms before coming down here. I just wanted to say I really appreciated your most recent

Roma talking about experience versus money having just driven down the Olympic Peninsula of Washington and Oregon and

California coast with a lover of mine whose work visa got cut here in Canada a few months ago and having to say goodbye.

It's been nothing but eye-opening and beautiful and painful in a way and I just wanted to say a lot of things you were saying

really resonate with me so thank you keep doing what you're doing. Thank you John. I will keep

doing what I'm doing until I stop doing what I'm doing. I promise you that. This is a really cool episode with a woman named Liza

Marin. I met her at a New Year's Eve party and within a few seconds of speaking with her I was

already thinking I'd love to get this woman on my podcast how can I propose this without coming across as a total New

Year's Eve party bore? But she was just so, you know how you meet someone just like pouring yourself a glass of wine or

grabbing some food or whatever and you start talking with someone and the

conversation goes deep immediately and it's not because

anyone's pushing for that it's just because neither one of the people in the

conversation is afraid of depth.

That's what happened with us.

You know, I don't remember what the small talk was and then Liza mentioned that she was I think it was like the first day after she'd retired or she'd retired that day from running a

nonprofit that she'd founded years ago and I guess she agreed or decided to end her involvement at the end of the years, hence the New Year's Eve party.

And she mentioned that and I think I said something about, wow, that's a big transitional moment for you and, you know, this sort of stepping away from something you've been doing for a long time.

And she said, yeah, and you you know my mother died a month ago and that was a really

you know interesting time for me to be with her as she was dying and you know and like the conversation just kept getting

richer and deeper and more revealing of the fact that I was talking to a very special woman or listening to a very special woman.

And so I did ask her to be on the podcast and she agreed and I drove over to her place a few weeks later and you

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