601 - Elliot Swartz (Lab Meat)

Tangentially Speaking with Christopher Ryan

Chris Ryan

Society & Culture, Arts

4.8 • 2.3K Ratings

🗓️ 27 February 2024

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Summary

Trained as a neuroscientist, Elliot is the Principle Scientist at a nonprofit called The Good Food Institute, which is focused on building an innovation ecosystem that will accelerate the development of alternatives to conventional/industrialized production of meat, eggs, and dairy. They believe that we can avoid or mitigate the many negative externalities of industrial meat production by instead making meat from plants or growing it directly from animal cells. I’ve got my doubts, but Elliot makes a convincing case. See what you think.

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0:00.0	Rade humano papachango. Oh, Greetings Earthlings Earthlings,
0:30.0	welcome to another episode of tangentially speaking. This one is with a guy named
0:33.8	Elliot Swartz. He's a scientist at a nonprofit called the Good Food Institute
0:40.4	focused on building an innovative ecosystem that will accelerate the development of alternatives to conventional production of meat, eggs and dairy.
0:51.0	I'm reading from his email. Our organization's theory of
0:56.1	changes that we can avoid or mitigate the many negative externalities of
1:00.6	industrial meat production by instead making meat from plants or growing it directly from animal cells.
1:10.0	He's been focused on cultivated lab-grown meat for the last six years.
1:17.0	And yeah, he's a smart guy, very, very interesting.
1:22.0	This is a somewhat unusual episode of the podcast in that I book the guy even though I kind of come to it with a pretty skeptical
1:38.4	mindset, which is not to say that I'm not open to being wrong about things, I hope. But, you know, generally, I've been, it's a funny thing about getting older those of you who are my age or or beyond me know what I'm talking about I was thinking the other day it's like you know we talk about how our elders have a certain amount of
2:05.9	wisdom and we assume that that's because they have experience you know they've
2:10.7	been around the block a few times, they've seen things come and go,
2:15.0	and that's the source of their wisdom.
2:17.0	I think there's also another source of wisdom that at least I hadn't really appreciated until I started to get closer to it, which is that there's a liberation in not giving a shit anymore.
2:31.0	There's a liberation in not having a long future stretching out in front. a or just be prepared for this long haul out in front of you.
2:45.8	You can basically kind of be like, yeah, whatever.
2:50.4	You know, like I could start smoking right now.
2:52.4	I'm 62. Maybe it's time to start smoking tobacco right because if it takes 30 years to get lung cancer I don't give a shit, you know, maybe we should sort of focus on, it's not that you
3:09.6	shouldn't have bad habits, it's that you should time them properly. We should like have a
3:16.2	schedule of our bad habits right you get to a certain age it's like you know I think my liver can handle another 10 or 15 years of
3:26.4	alcohol abuse if that's what I want to do or my lungs can handle some tobacco
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