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People I (Mostly) Admire

6. Nathan Myhrvold: “I Am Interested in Lots of Things, and That's Actually a Bad Strategy”

People I (Mostly) Admire

Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Society & Culture

4.62K Ratings

🗓️ 7 February 2026

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

He graduated high school at 14, and by 23 had several graduate degrees and was a research assistant with Stephen Hawking. He became the first chief technology officer at Microsoft (without having ever studied computer science) and then started a company focused on big questions — like how to provide the world with clean energy and how to optimize pizza-baking. Find out what makes Nathan Myhrvold’s fertile mind tick, and which of his many ideas Steve Levitt likes the most. This episode originally aired on October 30th, 2020.

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0:00.0

Problems that are hard are usually hard because of the set of perspectives and tools that have been used to try to solve them.

0:15.0

So you have to always ask, am I bringing something new to this problem? And if you're not, then you should

0:24.3

say, well, maybe I should either try to get a different perspective or a different tool or a different

0:29.8

thing, or maybe give it a rest and work on something that I can get a little more progress with.

0:38.0

So there are people who know a lot about a few narrow topics.

0:42.7

And then there are other people who know a little bit about just about everything.

0:46.5

And then there's Nathan Mirvald who knows everything about everything.

0:52.3

Welcome to people I mostly admire with Steve Levitt.

0:57.3

I first met Nathan maybe a decade ago.

1:00.3

And from the very first time I met him, I was just blown away by his intellect and his enthusiasm.

1:07.6

And I've never asked him a question where he didn't give me an answer that was just

1:13.2

profound and detailed and knowledgeable. And what I love about talking to Nathan is not only that I

1:20.3

learn a lot from him, but somehow he makes me feel like everything in the world is interesting.

1:29.7

Nathan Mirvald, physicist, inventor, cookbook author, archaeologist, tech mogul,

1:36.4

scholar of penguin poop and dinosaur sex.

1:38.7

Let's just start at the beginning.

1:40.2

You graduated from high school when you were 14 years old.

1:42.9

You skipped four grades.

1:45.8

Were you a likable kid or were you the most annoying kid that ever existed? You know, it's very difficult for a teenager

1:52.8

to have that perspective on themselves famously. And, you know, I was never the weirdest kid in class

2:00.0

or the most misfit kid.

2:01.6

So in the pecking order, you were always at least one from the bottom with someone who could bully?

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