And so by learning Mandarin you created like you said a whole new landscape a whole new map of

information and frames from which to draw to help you understand something else.

Welcome to the art of charm. I'm your host Jordan Harbinger. Today we're talking with my

friends Judith Pollock and Olivia Fox Cabani might recognize her name from her earlier book

and her earlier appearances on the show namely the Charisma myth. Today we're talking about breakthroughs.

We're going to explore some famous breakthroughs from some famous people of course we'll talk about

the default mode network and what's called the genius lounge which is the subconscious part of

your brain where very complex problems are solved otherwise known as breakthroughs and in true AOC

fashion we're going to talk about how you can use modern brain science to have more breakthroughs

of your own when trying to solve complex problems and access different types of breakthroughs as well

and how to cultivate habits to activate our genius network so that our brain is primed for better

breakthroughs moving forward. There are a lot of practicals and great habits here so enjoy this

episode with Judith Pollock and Olivia Fox Cabani. I was thinking about my introduction earlier

when I was driving up here and I thought okay I just have to talk about what these guys do

and then I thought I don't really know exactly what you guys do you know I know what you say that

you do yeah I know I'm a writer and a consultant and coach and I thought okay back when you guys

started saying that that was a thing that you could do and people went oh now it's so vague

because everybody's a thought leader and that is a big circle in the venn diagram of coach consultant

writer I do want to start with you explaining exactly what you do even though that's the cardinal

rule of not asking your guess when they show up. So Judith he comes under the radar but you can think

of him as Gandalf he's the immunos gris who will stand behind the powers that be and advise them

is the guy behind the guy yeah Judith looks at the organization looks at systems and he looks at

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