This is CBS. I'm the world. I'm John Batchel. I welcome Mary Anastasio Grady, the America's columnist for the Wall Street Journal editorial page, Venezuela.

There is a very large fleet with accompanying aircraft, all manner of war fighting off the coast of Venezuela, from Venezuela to Puerto Rico.

The headquarters is an old naval base called Roosevelt Roads.

All of that is in the news.

There's no secrets here.

And maybe that's important to consider.

Mary, a very good evening to you.

You're right that what we have is a powerful military force.

It appears to be threatening Nicholas Maduro, the illegitimate dictator, president of Venezuela. The opposition is in hiding. Everybody's waiting to see

which move the Trump administration chooses. The president over these last weeks has made many

remarks. One of the most confounding was he said that he'd given permission to the CIA

to topple Maduro or do whatever it does

associated in Latin America. However, you have a column identifying a possibility short of

absolute warfare or decap by the CIA. It involves something called the D. Hasim. What is that,

Mary? Good evening to you. Well, good evening, John. the D. Hasim. What is that, Mary? Good evening to you.

Well, good evening, John. The D. Hasim is the military counterintelligence in Venezuela.

But I should back up for a minute. I mean, I think that what's going on with the Trump

administration here is that they would like to see Maduro leave.

They would like the country to be returned to democracy.

They did, Venezuela did elect at the polls a new president last a year ago, July, July

2024, a civilian from the other side of the equation, in other words, not part of the

dictatorship, who wants to return the country to democracy. So the Venezuelans are saying,

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