58: Anatol Lieven discusses the institutionalization of the Ukraine war, highlighted by children being trained to fly drones in classrooms. This blend of new technology and old societal militarization creates a "bloodless war" perception, potentially making c
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John Batchelor
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🗓️ 7 November 2025
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor. |
| 0:10.0 | I welcome Anatole Levin, my colleague, Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, looking again at Ukraine conflict. |
| 0:20.0 | From the point of view of material coming in from the Wall Street Journal in these last hours that I had not seen before, |
| 0:25.8 | and I've expressed my amazement to Anatol, and I pass on, there's presentation on the Wall Street Journal site, |
| 0:32.8 | the daily package of news, announced very gingerly by a professional of children in Ukraine being trained |
| 0:41.1 | on drones as young as primary school, but certainly in high school. And there's a young woman |
| 0:47.2 | speaking Ukrainian with translation saying, it's good for the boys because they have to get ready |
| 0:52.9 | for the battlefield to train on drones. |
| 0:56.0 | In a classroom, the teacher who is described as a combat veteran flies the drones |
| 1:01.0 | through a series of what you'd have to say is obstacle courses, and the children are learning this. |
| 1:06.5 | And she says, and it's good for the girls because we have to know what's coming at us |
| 1:10.7 | when we take our positions in the cities. |
| 1:13.9 | That's a Ukrainian teenager announcing what looks to be the militarization of school. |
| 1:20.8 | And what I was especially struck by is that they showed the children on each up with a laptop flying their drones as if it was a first-person shooter's game. The kind of thing has been popular, at least my son played in junior high school and high school obsessively. Now he's taken those digital skills and applied them to where we are in our economy. He's not flying killer drones, |
| 1:46.2 | or he's not worried about a battlefield. That is the Ukrainian plight. I don't know how widespread |
| 1:51.7 | it is in Europe. It certainly appears that Russia also is indulging itself in training children |
| 2:00.1 | to fly drones to kill people. |
| 2:03.1 | Anatole, I mention all of that because I've been naive to think that when you militarize a culture, |
| 2:09.0 | it stops somewhere. |
| 2:10.7 | It continues indefinitely. |
| 2:12.6 | Some aspect of those drone flying resembles that movie Terminator and a thing called SkyNet, which is |
| 2:19.5 | a invention of Philip K. Dick, the famous science fiction writer of the 1950s. However, the fact |
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