58: Anatol Lieven discusses the institutionalization of the Ukraine war, highlighted by children being trained to fly drones in classrooms. This blend of new technology and old societal militarization creates a "bloodless war" perception, potentially making c
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John Batchelor
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🗓️ 7 November 2025
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Batchel with my good colleague, Anatole-Levin, and he's at the Quincy Institute Responsible Statecraft. |
| 0:08.5 | He's the director of the Eurasia project, but we're looking at Ukraine because the war is changing, and it's not changing for the better. |
| 0:16.5 | It's bringing children in, and it's certainly making it very clear that this war continues |
| 0:22.7 | because of the United States and its authority and its power. |
| 0:27.5 | But demonizing Putin is a well-known practice, war crimes, Tsar, meaningless towards his own people. |
| 0:39.3 | The economy's failing and he's ignoring it, |
| 0:41.4 | all those negative things. And I'm not refuting them. |
| 0:44.3 | What I'm saying is that demonization has another aspect. |
| 0:48.8 | There's a new article in the foreign affairs, |
| 0:51.7 | which I urge on everybody, because foreign affairs clearly put it first, |
| 0:56.1 | they regard it as significant. |
| 0:57.5 | And it certainly helped me understand |
| 0:59.4 | what we might be seeing in Asia, in South America, |
| 1:05.6 | in Greenland, in Europe, in the EU. |
| 1:10.1 | This is an article about the stagnant order by Michael Beckley. |
| 1:15.7 | The argument is very simple to present, but it requires a good deal of evidence. |
| 1:21.9 | The age of rising powers is ending, and the fallout is already fueling conflict, Mr. Beckley |
| 1:26.7 | writes. |
| 1:29.5 | One threat is that stagnating states are militarizing to reclaim lost in quotes territories and maintain great power status |
| 1:36.9 | russia has already rolled the dice in ukraine and if unchecked could set its size on |
| 1:42.8 | wealthier neighbors such as the Baltic states or Poland. |
| 1:46.1 | That's one version of what we're visiting. |
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