From Relay, this is Upgrade episode number 560, recorded Monday, April the 21st, 2025.

It's brought to you this week by Squarespace, Delete Me, and eCAM.

I am one of your classic upgrade co-host, Jason Snell.

And of course, as you know, since Mike Hurley and his lovely wife had a baby,

we've been cycling through many, many guests over the last eight weeks.

And I would just like to introduce the latest in a long string of fathers to appear

next to me on the upgrade program. It's Michael Hurley. Hello. Hi Mike. Welcome to Upgrade.

I'm back. I'm back. Thank you so much, Jason's now. I'm back as a host, not as a guest.

I actually want to do some fatherly advice, but we don't have time for that right now because we have a Snell Talk question.

And it's coming to us from Sam.

Oh, this feels so good.

I feel like I'm slipping into a comfortable glove right now.

This comes from Sam who says milk chocolate or dark chocolate, Jason.

And where do you stand on white chocolate?

Wow.

Wow.

These are the serious questions from Snell talk. I'm back? Wow. Wow. These are the serious questions for stealth talk.

I'm that really.

Sam, dark chocolate, 100%, well, not 100% chocolate.

Oh, Jesus.

That would kill you, but like 70%.

But I am, I am a dark chocolate that's like the, I'm, there's always dark chocolate

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