From Relay, this is Upgrade, episode 559, recorded Monday, April the 14th, 20255,

brought to you by FitBod, ExpressVPN, and Factor.

I am, again, one of your two regular co-host, Jason Snell, waiting for Mike to return.

Come back, Mike.

But in the interim, I have had, now the theme, if it wasn't already revealed, can be revealed, a parade of dads giving fatherly advice because of two reasons.

One, I thought it was a fun theme.

And two, I have to do all the work for upgrade.

And so I went with people I am comfortable being around to not increase the level of

difficulty of this paternity leave.

And next up, last up possibly, in the list, it is my good friend, a returning guest to

upgrade after only about 500 episodes.

It's Scott McNulty.

Hi, Scott.

Hello, Jason.

I did such a good job. You had to wait 500 episodes because you couldn't stand the competition, I think.

Yeah, no, it was, that was it. That was totally, we brought you on in episode eight, an episode 85, to discuss primarily e-readers, which is a topic that you and I both are interested in,

and have diverging views on, which I think is fun.

It's true.

And you have become, I feel, in the interviewing 500 episodes, you become much more interested in the e-readers, I think.

So you didn't need to trot me out

to talk about the latest Kindle stuff because you already do about it. You were invested in it.

There was a time when you owned every e-reader ever released. It's true. I have not, I have since

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