From Relay, this is Upgrade.

Episode number 558, recorded Monday, April the 7th, 2025.

This episode has been brought to you by Oracle Squarespace and delete me.

And it will be, not just has been, but will continue to be.

I am Jason Snell doing my best to hold the show together while Mike Hurley is on paternity leave.

And joining me for this episode, the latest in our cavalcade of guest stars.

It is developer, extraordinaire pedometer plus plus, and many

others, and of course, co-host of Under the Radar here at Relay. It is underscore David Smith. David,

welcome to upgrade. Again, welcome back. I guess you were on when I was in New Zealand. So welcome

back. I think, yeah, no, it's good to be back. It's a, on when I was in New Zealand. So welcome back.

I think, yeah, no, it's, it's good to be back. It's a, you know, upgrade is one of my favorite shows.

And so it's a privilege to be able to be here and to try my best to, you know, fulfill in the very large, um, uh, shoes left behind by Mike. So it's, I'll do my best. I mean, he does have big feet. All right. We like to start every episode of, as you know, of upgrade with Snell Talk. This question comes from Brants, who said,

do you have a beloved or just favorite baseball cap that you like to wear? I assume it's a

Giants cap, but I'd love to know. And France, you got me. It is a Giants hat. I was just, I went to a baseball game yesterday, first game of the season for us. It's opening weekend. And I was talking to Lauren as we were walking there because I was wearing a different hat from the hat that I usually wear, also a Giants hat, but in a different style.

And I said to her, I'm trying to wear this hat a little bit more because I'm trying to stave off slash prepare the way for the inevitable failure of my most beloved baseball hat of the moment. Because,

you know, I mean, they don't last. So, so you have, you have your time with any article of

clothing and you know that it's going to end and it's going to wear out. And the more you wear it,

the more it's going to wear out. And so a few years ago for Christmas, she didn't even remember

this. Lauren bought me a, and I should specify Lauren, we have, there are lots of Lauren's.

There are married to people involved in podcasts.

Anyway, my Lauren Snell bought me this hat for Christmas and it's an orange giant's hat with a white SF logo on the front.

It's sort of connected to their

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