From Relay, this is Upgrade, episode 557, recorded March 28, 20255,

released March 31st. We're recording this a little bit early. I am one of your regular hosts.

Of course, Jason Snell. Mike Hurley continues to be on assignment. His assignment is paternity leave this time.

And with me this week, oh, on a show brought to you by Google Gemini and eCamp, by the way.

Ha ha. See, got it in there. I'm going to totally get this nailed by the time Mike comes back.

It is my

compatriot at six

colors as well as the host of

Clockwise here on Relay, the rebound

off on its own, on the

rebound, and many

other podcasts over at the

incomparable. It's Dan Morin. Hi, Dan. Hi, Jason. I'd say it's so nice to talk to you

unusually, but we talk pretty frequently. For those who do not know, we are weekly on, actually on

Fridays when we're recording this. We do the Six Colors podcast, which is for Six Colors members

only. And, uh, and Six Colors members only. And,

uh, and, and people seem to like it, actually. It's, I get great, great feedback and praise for

that podcast. Every once in a while, we break some news. You know how it goes? Oh, I mean, every now and then,

somebody quotes us on a site and it's weird. But, time we are talking on what will be a regular episode

of Upgrade. They're all a little bit different with Mike Gunn, but that's fine. We'd like to

start though with a Snell talk question. I know you love, you love it. I'm going to ask you

to chip in here after I answer this question.

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