From Relay, this is Upgrade episode 5, 5, 5, a triple.

It's brought to you by FitBod, Google Gemini, Squarespace, and delete me.

I am your host, Jason Snell.

Mike Hurley, of course, continues to be on paternity league.

But I, Paternity League, actually, I really like that idea.

It's like various fathers battling over, who has the cutest baby pictures.

He keeps sending them to me.

It's really nice to hear from him. He's out there somewhere.

Joining me in our latest of our cavalcade of guests while Mike is gone is the one the only,

my fellow JS. John, Syracusa. Welcome, John. Welcome back. Thank you. Glad to be here, as always.

If I sound extra energetic today, it's because my plane got home from my weekend in Portland,

Oregon at 12.30 a.m.

And there's a lot of tea.

So that's good.

But we don't have time to talk about airlines.

Let's talk about random things sent in by listeners.

It's Snell talk.

And this question comes in from Tim.

Tim says,

whenever I hear Jason talk about Mill Valley,

which is where I live,

I think of Back to the Future.

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