Hey friend, welcome to Java with Julie. I'm Julie Slattery, and this podcast is a production of

authentic intimacy, a ministry dedicated to reclaiming God's design for sexuality. One of the

most difficult parts of our ministry is answering some of the emails or questions we receive

from men and women who have found

that after years of counseling, marriage books and retreats, their marriage is just not getting any better.

Their spouse isn't interested in changing.

Maybe it's a husband who's not willing to stop looking at pornography.

Or a wife who's not willing to prioritize sexual intimacy.

Whatever the circumstances,

they feel hopeless. So what do they do next? Does being a Christian entitle you to a happy marriage?

How do you thrive in a marriage where your spouse doesn't desire intimacy with you? Can God really give you the strength to love your spouse even when they're not

loving you back? Now, to help me answer these questions are my friends, Dr. Chuck and Dr. Michael

Mishya. They're licensed counselors and brothers, and together they've written a book called

Thriving Despite a Difficult Marriage. This book comes out of their professional and personal experiences, and we'll link to that

on our podcast page at AuthenticNMacy.com.

I'd love to have you join me every Monday, so don't forget to subscribe to Job with Julie

in your favorite listening app.

Now let's head to the coffee shop for my conversation with doctors Chuck and Mike Misha.

Well, this is a special edition of Job with Julia.

I think all of them are special, but I have with me Mike and Chuck Mishia both psychologists,

and you guys were brave enough to give me my very first job in psychology right out of school.

Oh man, look at you just sitting there so calm and composed and articulate,

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