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Hi, Jennifer.

Hi.

Thank you for having me.

I'm so happy.

I'm just thawting over all this fucking jewelry. It's fun. Jewelry is fun. It's so happy that you're here. I'm just fawning over all this fucking jewelry

you're right. It's fun. Jewelry is fun. It's so fun. And look at you and your new double lilies. You look amazing. Thank you so much. Okay. You started your brand because you wanted to make, was it name plates? No. Not at all. No, I was a stylist for 10 years in LA. I knew that you were a stylist for 10 years, but the jewelry was because didn't you want to make something for yourself and then you couldn't find anything in the market. Correct. My son was born. I wanted to, I had a

charms my entire life. I wanted something cool to wear that had his name because I went through

surrogacy that was unsuccessful. I went through IBS that was unsuccessful. And then you ended up

having him naturally, right? Correct. We talk about that. Yes. Because I think, you know, I mean, how many women right now are suffering from unexplained infertility? And I never want to undermine anybody ever because it's some of the worst, it's the worst feeling a woman can feel, right? Trying to. And you don't know until you're there. But it's so interesting. You know, I've had people on my podcast, I've had women on my podcast that I've said, like, something happens sometimes when you're like not trying. Oh, 1,000 percent. And that's exactly how I got pregnant. I know. We stopped because we were like, this is affecting our relationship.

This is getting too stressful. Like we're looking at egg donors and maybe adoption. And we're like, let's just take a time out because this is my body had been through so much. Yeah. It just was affecting us personally. And we took time off and that's when I got pregnant. Incredible. And I think it's your, it's like your ut, relaxing. I don't know what it is. It's something that your whole

body and your mind, everything sort of shuts off when you're not trying, and then wonderful things can happen. My daughter came when we weren't trying. I think, I'm a big believer in that. I think it's, I think it's the hardest thing in the world to tell a woman to stop trying. It is, it is, but I think you have to give yourself, you have to give your body a break and you have to realize,

and your mind too. It's, it's, it I think you have to give yourself, you have to give your body a break and you have to realize, like, and your mind too, it's, it's, it really, it's just consume, it's all consuming when you're trying. Did your daughter come naturally too? Yes, oh my gosh, and I had my son strapped to me. I was at my OB, you know, you go in for your little test and I peed in the cup and she's like, you're very pregnant right now. How old was he? They're basically, I was twins.

They're 20 months apart. No. Yes. Yes. Which actually was an amazing. It was an amazing blessing that had happened that way because they are so close. It's wonderful because I'm not close to my brothers because we have years that last. My sister and I have 20 years in between it. Are you guys close? we are now but like

what is she you know she was 20 and I was new

like it was like what that lasts. My sister and I have 20 years in between it. Are you guys close? We are now, but like,

what is she, you know, she was 20 and I was new, like, it was like what? Right. Like so my brother's not, 60 almost. Right. So I'm not super close. We don't live in the same state. So I'm just really happy that they have that. And now, yeah, they just came back from college and they're like hanging out. It's just the nicest. It's so great. Just wait when you're older.

What brought you to New York after 10 years in Los Angeles?

So Kevin, my husband. Yeah, they just came back from college and they're like hanging out. It's just the nicest. It's so great. Just wait when you're older.

What brought you to New York after 10 years in Los Angeles?

So Kevin, my husband, worked on Wall Street.

And I met him like, no, I met him here.

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