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All right got it so you got this track coming in that So Charles is literally playing with two turntables and a bunch of controls in the middle and is actually making music and DJing right now.

Yeah, just to be clear, he's interacting in virtual reality with this instructor who's

over the other side of the country.

Can virtual reality turn us all into DJ's?

Founder Tom and Palameni thinks so.

He's here raising a million dollars for his startup TribeXR.

It's an app that lets people use VR to learn from real live

DJ's. The investors have some serious reservations though. They're not sure

if he's using VR in the most profitable way.

Let's see if Tom can convince them that DJing is the right spin on virtual reality.

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