Travis and I probably own like 55 gallon buckets that eventually get destroyed from doing that demo.

It's like the worst, I mean it's a bulletproof assembly, but to remove it is one of the worst demos you can do.

I'm surprised I'm not bleeding just talking about it.

Welcome to the Fine Home Building podcast, our regular discussion of building,

building, remodeling, and design topics aimed at anybody who cares deeply about the craft and science

of working on houses. This is Senior Editor Patrick McComb. Today I'm

joined by Fine Home Building editorial director Andrew Zellner. Morning Patrick. Fine Home Building

contributor and partner in Catalyst Construction, Joe Cook. Good morning, guys. And our producer,

Jeff Rose. Hi there.

Please email your questions to FHB Podcasts at taunton.com.

You can find previous podcasts and check out the show notes at findhomebuilding.com slash podcast.

Jens, good to see you.

Thanks for being here.

Thank you.

Joe, it isn't a special surprise to have you here today. Thanks so much for doing this.

You're very welcome. I appreciate you guys. I read the magazine, and so this is equally as much of an

honor for me. Well, it's fun to have a real builder on the show, and we're going to grill you

in the podcast after show about what it's been like

running a business the last three years uh the struggles you're having getting uh subcontractors

you mentioned before the show um you're training uh uh your workforce because you need to and uh we're

going to talk about all that in today's after show so that should be really a good conversation

yeah looking forward to it you know the uh we're going to talk about all that in today's after show, so that should be really a good conversation.

...