We also know that teenagers are among the most prolific users of pornography.

And yet, we have pizza parties and team camps and team concerts and all these things.

Meanwhile, this hidden secret that parents don't feel equipped to have a conversation about is undermining our ministry effort.

Hey, friend, welcome to another episode of Java with Julie.

Well, I think he goes without saying that pornography use is absolutely pervasive.

Men struggle with it, women struggle with it, single and married people struggle with it,

young and old.

So let's say that you are someone who struggles with watching pornography and God begins to convict you. And so you decide to confide

in someone at your church. How would you expect that leader to respond? Would they be a safe place?

Would you still be welcome at church or do you think you

would be judged? Well, unfortunately, often in the past, the church has not been seen as a safe

place to talk about struggles like pornography. In fact, some people have experienced more hurt than

healing. So what would it take to make your church the safest and most effective place to address

real sin struggles like pornography?

My guest today is Sam Black, and he is the director of Life Change Education at Covenant

Eyes and the author of the book, The Healing Church,

what churches get wrong about pornography and how to fix it.

Sam has over a decade of experience working at Covenant Eyes, and he's a great person to speak to exactly what isn't working when it comes to the church

in addressing pornography and what we can do to start to see a change. So I hope you

enjoy my conversation with Sam Black. Well, Sam, what a joy to have you with me on Java with

Julie. I get a laid out there up front. I'm a big fan of Covenant Eyes and you work with

covenant eyes. And I feel like it's one of those things where

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