If you could say something that Edwards knows knowing that he listens to this particular episode, what would it be?

Yeah, the right to remain silent.

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Today we're talking with General Michael Hayden, former head of CIA and NSA.

He's a retired United States Air Force four star general.

We're talking today about how intelligence agents and policy makers view the world and the differences in their thinking.

The warrantless surveillance controversy, aka domestic spying for the layman, ISIS, the Apple iPhone encryption controversy, and the general's thoughts on both Edward Snowden and Donald Trump.

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We may not have all the right answers, but we definitely have all the right questions with that. Here's General Michael Hayden.

Normally we do shows that discuss cognitive science and psychology and things like that.

So first of all, going right to the meat of the topic before we go off on our usual tangents here is, does the Intel guy look at cognition cognitive bias psychology and psychological type of topics and content the same way as let's say the policy guy.

Yeah, great question. Here's how I describe it. Essentially say look the Intel guy and the policy guy.

I've got to come together in the room and that room could be a canvas covered tactic operation center in a desert somewhere or it could be the Oval Office.

Let me talk about my last job because where we got together was in the Oval Office.

The Intel guy comes into the room through a different door than the policy guy. The Intel guy is fact based.

The policy guy is vision based. The Intel guy is inherently swimming out of detail trying to create generalized conclusion.

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