#512 Sleep Optimization and CBT for Insomnia with Ashley E. Mason, PhD
The Curbsiders Internal Medicine Podcast
The Curbsiders Internal Medicine Podcast
4.8 • 3.3K Ratings
🗓️ 19 January 2026
⏱️ 132 minutes
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Summary
What Dreams May Come
Breeze through your next visit for insomnia. Learn how to comfortably approach insomnia and optimize sleep. We touch on specifics such as cognitive behavioral therapy for insomnia or the effects of various sleep-related drugs/supplements, and how to taper down from them. We are joined by Ashley E. Mason, PhD (UCSF).
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Show Segments
- Intro
- Case
- Understanding patient’s goals
- Cognitive behavioral therapy for insomnia
- Stimulus control
- Sleep Hygiene
- Time-in-bed restriction
- Impact of different medications/substances on sleep
- Tapering off medications
- Outro
Credits
- Producer and Writer: Matthew Watto MD, FACP
- Producer, Show Notes, Infographic, and Cover art: Edison Jyang, MD
- Hosts: Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP
- Reviewer: Sai S Achi, MD, MBA, FACP
- Showrunners: Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP
- Technical Production: PodPaste
- Guest: Ashley E. Mason, PhD
Disclosures
Dr. Mason has disclosed the following:
Financial Relationships: Evolve Global, consulting fee and stock options; Oura Health, consulting fee.
The Curbsiders report no relevant financial disclosures.
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| 0:18.8 | Okay, Paul, as I said before, I don't know if I used this one before, but let's try it out. |
| 0:23.8 | Paul, I tried to be a tailor. |
| 0:29.0 | I feel like you probably have, and yet nevertheless, I can't remember what the punchline might be. |
| 0:33.3 | Go on. |
| 0:34.7 | But I wasn't suited for it, mainly because it was a so-so job. |
| 0:43.0 | God, it's a two-barter. |
| 0:46.2 | I don't even know. |
| 0:47.3 | Possibly. |
| 0:47.7 | If so, I've blacked it out. |
| 0:51.8 | The Curbsiders podcast is for entertainment, education, and information purposes only. And the topics discussed should not be used solely to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any diseases or conditions. For the more of the views and statements expressed on this podcast are solely those of the host and should not be interpreted to reflect official policy or position of any entity. Aside from possibly, cash like more honest, and affiliate outreach programs. If indeed, there are any, in fact, there are none. Pretty much, we aren't responsible if you screw up. You should always do your own homework and let us know. Welcome back to the curbsiders. |
| 1:18.2 | I'm Dr. Matthew Frank Guaddo, here with my great friend in America's primary care physician, Dr. Paul Nelson Williams. |
| 1:25.1 | Hi, Paul. |
| 1:25.9 | Hey, Matt. |
| 1:26.5 | How are you? |
| 1:29.5 | I'm doing well, Paul. This is a topic near and dear to my heart. This is, we were talking about sleep and the insin's and outs of CBT for |
| 1:35.9 | insomnia with a great guest, Dr. Ashley Mason. Paul, before we introduce our co-host and our guest a little further, what is it that we do on |
| 1:47.0 | curbsiders? Why are we here? Matt, I'm so glad you asked. We are here because we are the |
| 1:53.6 | internal medicine podcast. We use expert interviews to bring you clinical pearls and practice changing |
| 1:57.4 | knowledge. It is almost 11 o'clock at night where we're at, which is ironic |
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