Hi, I'm Stage in Stages, Lynn Manuel Miranda, and you're listening to The Hamelcast.

Boots and cuts and puts and cuts.

Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Hamelcast. I'm Jillian, and this week, the brilliant Thomas Kale is back to help me wrap up the pod.

Last week, Tommy unpacked a lot of the Hamilton celebrations and told us how they came to be, like how they landed on the decision to release the Hamel film and movie theaters, his profound experience with the original cast reuniting for the Tony Awards, his word, profound. Leslie Odom Jr. reprising Aaron Burr and Hamilton on Broadway, like all kinds of stuff. He also talked a lot about the Hamill film and how he made it with two things in mind. One, it was a love letter to that unbelievable original company. And two, it's basically a visual cast album. And it is because it lives alongside the

live show. It doesn't replace it in any way. Oh, and that he wanted all of us to have the exact same seat, which is something you can't do in a live theater. Okay, now that I'm talking about it, he for sure had more than two things in mind, but this is why you need to be caught up because there's no way I can pack everything we talked about into this little intro, especially when it's Tommy Cal. Okay, so last week I ended on the cliffhanger, which is not something

that happens on the Hamillcast, but Tommy's about to turn the tables on me a little bit before we have a much bigger conversation about the power of theater and about a million other things. And look, I've said this a million times, but I'm going to say it again because I believe it so strongly. If you truly want to be seen and heard, have a conversation with Thomas Kale. I'm so grateful he's in my life

in this very cool way, and I'm honored that he made the time to record with me to wrap the show

up right. But there's plenty of time to get sappy. And trust me, we do. But for right now,

here we go. Here's episode two with Thomas Kale, the 2025 edition.

Just the ripple effect of the joy that that show has brought to so many people.

So I'm not going to pry, but I'm glad that it's, you know.

I'm, it is not prying.

And not to be flipping uh, flipping any scripts.

Okay. But, you know, there's always like the time like, and when someone's wrapping up a pod where then like, they invite somebody on to interview them or like to ask them about the thing. Um, are you doing that? Like, who's doing that? Am I doing that? What do you mean? Like when you talk about a thing that's brought people joy,

when you talk about a thing that has,

that you put into the world that's brought people joy, when you talk about a thing

that has, that you put into the world that didn't exist before, that is what you've done. You're now coming up in this moment of transition and you're going to figure out who you are without this thing. Yeah. And you've been thinking about who you are with the thing and going to be... Usually you make me cry at the end of the episode.

And delving into it.

Well, I realize there's still enough time to have a real conversation about it.

But, you know, when you think about the person that started this and you think about the person

that is now putting this down for a little while, what's your experience with how these

last few months have been and how are you

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