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The Hamilcast: A Hamilton Podcast

#497: Thomas Kail Returns! // Part One

The Hamilcast: A Hamilton Podcast

Gillian Pensavalle

Arts, Performing Arts

4.32K Ratings

🗓️ 5 January 2026

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Hamilton's brilliant director Thomas Kail helps me wrap up the podcast with two thoughtful, insightful, and sweet episodes. Tommy is known as "The Architect" and I'm telling you, the guy lives up to the title and then some. This week T.Kail unpacks a lot of the HamilTen celebrations and how they came to be, including how they landed on the decision to release the Hamilfilm in movie theaters, his profound experience with the original cast reuniting for the Tony Awards, and Leslie Odom Jr.'s reprising Aaron Burr in Hamilton on Broadway. 

Tommy also talks a lot about editing the Hamilton film (or as he calls it, his love letter to the original company) and how incredibly moving it was to watch it with them at the famous Delacorte Theater, under a full moon. 

Plus, we gush about Freestyle Love Supreme and the episode ends on a very rare cliffhanger! I don't know if that's ever happened on the pod but I explain why at the end of the episode. It's nothing crazy, it's mostly a timing issue, but here we are!

This episode was recorded in November of 2025 at WTF Media Studios in Manhattan and produced with Natalie Grillo from Any Moment Productions in collaboration with Meghan Miles.

#124: Thomas Kail // Part One (2018)

#125: Thomas Kail // Part Two (2018)

#230: Jonah Moran // #HamilFilm Editor // Part One

#231: Jonah Moran // #HamilFilm Editor // Part Two

#232: Jonah Moran // #HamilFilm Editor // Part Three

Freestyle Love Supreme

Freestyle Love Supreme on The Hamilcast

Moondrunk - "My Words"

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Stage in Stages, Lynn Manuel Miranda, and you're listening to The Hamelcast.

0:05.1

Boots and cuts and boots and cats.

0:07.0

Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Hamelcast. I am here with the one and only, oh, I'm

0:22.6

Julianne, by the way, but I'm here with the one and only Thomas Kale, the architect. You are partially correct. What do you mean? There are two of me. Of course. He plays the piano better, but he was here. Well, the hair is very similar. I really, I really was studying some, some early

0:38.6

Lackamore this morning to make sure that I could, that I could confuse people. You re-listened to his episodes? I mean, I'm always re-listened to his episodes. It's on a loop. Let me tell you, you're not alone. Those are comfort episodes for a lot of people, legendary. But interestingly enough. So your episodes originally aired in 2018, your episodes 124 and 125, the next three

0:55.9

apps for a lack. So your episodes originally aired in 2018. Your episodes 124 and 125. The next three apps were a lack. So five episodes were you two back to back. In 2018? 2018. And when are you going to release the data about who had the most listened to episodes? Can I tell you you're the first person who asked me like, so how are my numbers? I didn't say how my numbers were. I just said in general when you're gonna release that.

1:12.1

After we recorded, you were like, what's going?

1:13.1

I was like, Tommy, I've never looked at the numbers.

1:15.1

Oh, that's what I said in 2018? In 2018, yeah, you were like, like, how are we doing? I was like, I haven't looked, I haven't logged into the stats, the stats. And then you started logging into the dance?

1:23.4

I did for you.

1:24.2

And I was like, you're doing great.

1:25.2

Okay.

1:25.5

No, you're doing great.

1:26.3

You're doing great.

1:28.0

How are you?

1:28.8

I'm well, thank you.

1:29.5

Happy everything.

1:30.1

Happy Hamilton.

1:31.1

Hey.

1:31.3

Hey. I did for you. And I was like, you're doing great. Okay. No, you're doing great. You're doing great. How are you? I'm well, thank you.

1:29.5

Happy everything. Happy Hamilton. I can't believe it's been seven years since you and I sat together in your apartment. Isn't that really amazing? Look, it was amazing when it happened then. I'm so grateful that you're here now. I know you're the busiest person on the planet. I know that we can't recreate it, but it's been really emotional to listen back to these episodes and see everything that's gone on. So it really means a lot to me that you want to wrap us up. It is my great pleasure. I was thinking because my relationship to the Hamelcast over the years has evolved, I'm sure, as yours has.

2:01.6

And I certainly would find myself, you know, if I take a trip and I'd be like, oh, like, what are a couple I met? You know, it became this sort of thing you could put in your bag and pack with you and then break them out and a chance to, you know, to get to know stories from people that I knew well knew well or people that I knew less well, you know, via you, which is a testament to what you made here.

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