489| When Great Minds Meet part 2
Best Case Worst Case
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🗓️ 8 May 2026
⏱️ 47 minutes
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Maureen & Jim continue with special guests Chris McDonough & Gary Brucato to discuss serial killers in general and the Nancy Guthrie case in particular. It's amazing what comes out of this process...
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to best case, worst case. |
| 0:09.0 | This is Jim Clementi, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor, writer, producer |
| 0:12.7 | of criminal minds, and Bluebeard on Audible. |
| 0:15.0 | And with me today is the lovely Maureen O'Connell, 25-year veteran of the FBI and 20-year veteran of the FBI's evidence response team. |
| 0:24.0 | And we have a really great show for you today. We're so excited. |
| 0:27.5 | Two of my friends, colleagues that I consider friends, are with us today. |
| 0:31.9 | And we have first... |
| 0:34.6 | Chris McDonough. I'm retired from Oceipedia in Southern California from 82 to 07. I spent 13 years in the Homicide Bureau down there, and I know enough to get in trouble. |
| 0:49.4 | And with us today is also. |
| 0:52.5 | I'm a Dr. Gary Burkato. I'm a clinical and forensic psychologist. |
| 0:56.1 | I'm in private practice in New York. |
| 0:58.5 | I'm also a visiting scholar at Boston College where I conduct research with Dr. |
| 1:02.6 | Ann Burgess on a wide array of topics related to violence. |
| 1:07.5 | My areas of expertise are serial homicide, mass murder, spree killing, sexual offenses, and severe personality disorders, and how they overlap, especially how they overlap with severe mental illness. |
| 1:22.0 | I've written over 100 articles and book chapters on those subjects. |
| 1:28.1 | Among my books, the best known is the new evil understanding the emergence of violent crime, |
| 1:33.9 | which I'm proud to say is used as a textbook and some forensic programs and covers a wide |
| 1:39.2 | array of offenses that might be of interest to the audience. |
| 1:41.8 | Before we get too much further down the line, and I agree. |
| 2:01.0 | I love this, by the way. This is a lot. It's going to be a great podcast. Before we go any further, I want to go back a little bit, Gary, and then I'll hand it over to you. But, you know, we talk about these tangential relationships and who could have seen what or whatever. Imagine, if you will, you know, when we consider that she was on the Today Show several times and she was at her home when that happened, what does that mean? |
| 2:09.4 | You and Jim, you and I know, and you guys may or may not know, that that means cameramen show up. |
| 2:14.2 | That means hair and makeup from the area are showing up. |
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