Hello and welcome to best case, worst case.

This is Jim Clementi, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor, writer, producer

of criminal minds, and Bluebeard on Audible.

And with me today is the lovely Maureen O'Connell, 25-year veteran of the FBI and 20-year veteran of the FBI's evidence response team.

And we have a really great show for you today. We're so excited.

Two of my friends, colleagues that I consider friends, are with us today.

And we have first...

Chris McDonough. I'm retired from Oceipedia in Southern California from 82 to 07. I spent 13 years in the Homicide Bureau down there, and I know enough to get in trouble.

And with us today is also.

I'm a Dr. Gary Burkato. I'm a clinical and forensic psychologist.

I'm in private practice in New York.

I'm also a visiting scholar at Boston College where I conduct research with Dr.

Ann Burgess on a wide array of topics related to violence.

My areas of expertise are serial homicide, mass murder, spree killing, sexual offenses, and severe personality disorders, and how they overlap, especially how they overlap with severe mental illness.

I've written over 100 articles and book chapters on those subjects.

Among my books, the best known is the new evil understanding the emergence of violent crime, which I'm proud to say is used as a textbook

and some forensic programs and covers a wide array of offenses that might be of interest to the

audience. Well, that's awesome. And thank you for being here, Gary and Chris.

And today we're going to be doing a little bit of a hybrid, best case, worst case.

We're going to talk to, because you guys are both experts in the areas that we most often talk about.

We're going to talk to you about some recent cases, but also just

generically about crime and murder and serial murder in general. So why don't we start off

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