Hello and welcome to best case, worst case.

This is Jim Clementi, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor, writer, producer

of criminal minds, and Bluebeard on Audible.

And with me today is the lovely Maureen O'Connell, 25-year veteran of the FBI and 20-year veteran of the FBI's evidence response team.

And we have a really great show for you today. We're so excited.

Two of my friends, colleagues that I consider friends, are with us today.

And we have first...

Chris McDonough. I'm retired from Oceipedia in Southern California from 82 to 07. I spent 13 years in the Homicide Bureau down there, and I know enough to get in trouble.

And with us today is also.

I'm a Dr. Gary Burkato. I'm a clinical and forensic psychologist.

I'm in private practice in New York.

I'm also a visiting scholar at Boston College where I conduct research with Dr.

Ann Burgess on a wide array of topics related to violence.

My areas of expertise are serial homicide, mass murder, spree killing, sexual offenses,

and severe personality disorders, and how they overlap, especially how they overlap with severe

mental illness.

But Gary, so let us give us your final impressions here.

Where do you think, where do you stand in terms of what

you think happened and what do you think is going to happen from here? I think, you know,

because anybody who's watched my comments over time knows that I like to think like a scientist

and think in terms of probabilities

and don't take things off the table until they're completely impossible and then shape your

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