All right, well, welcome. We are totally lucky today to have the most amazing guest, Reed Wilson. I'm so thrilled to have you here with us. So welcome.

So thank you. Yeah. Would you like, would you like me to call you Dr. Wilson?

How would you like me to?

No, read is fine.

Read is fine.

Okay.

So I know you have some incredible wisdom regarding how to approach anxiety.

Everyone I know who has been treated by you or has heard you speak said they left feeling incredibly empowered.

And that would be my biggest goal for today.

So I really want to get your personal approach when you're with your clients on why do we do the hard thing?

We're always talking about it's a beautiful day to do hard things over here at CBT school.

So what's your approach?

Why do we do the hard thing when it comes to anxiety?

Well, let's get it over with.

You know, I do work differently than a lot of folks do,

and I don't do exposure and response prevention,

which makes me maybe weird or different. But, you know, I want to jump the hierarchy if we can.

If we can, if there's an opportunity for us to go as high up in the hierarchy as we can during a practice and take down

the bully. Well, there's a great deal of placebo that goes along with taking down the bully.

And if I, you know, go after the bully and I fail, well, what did you expect? I was, you know,

doing a really tough thing. And so it's kind of a win-win. It's not as painful.

But I think, you know, if we go all the way back to Sir Isaac Newton and his three laws of motion and inertia, what he talked to us about 355 years ago,

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