Hello, this is Owen Jones, welcome to the podcast. Today, Abigail Thorn, incredible. She

is the, the YouTuber most known as philosophy tube, but she's many, many things. She's

an actor as well. She's involved in all sorts, to be honest. Philosophy tube is huge.

There's a really big YouTube channel that has popularized philosophy. She has a massive

fund base. Now, she's recently come out as trans. So, we talk about that. We talk about

transphobia. We talk about philosophy, as you'd expect. We talk about her becoming this

YouTube superstar. We talk about her acting. We talk about optimism and hope, which is important,

I think, the current climate. I think you'd all agree. Do listen to this one. It's, she's

big fan, big, big fan. Just a bit of housekeeping. If you want to support us to keep this podcast

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Our time. Not just the YouTube, but what are you talking about? You think the future now,

whether we like it or not, actually, just topian as it may well be. No, I mean, you're not just

a YouTube. You're an actor. You're so many things. We'll talk about it. I just want to start.

I mean, let's just start. I mean, you must be like, oh, roll eyes. Do we really have to keep

talking about this? But, you know, I find it interesting from one sign of the LGBTQ rainbow.

Because coming out as a cis gender for those who don't know, that means not transmite gender

of a lie. The gender assigned to be at birthdays, the gender, which I feel comfortable in.

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