Hello and welcome to best case, worst case.

This is Jim Clementi, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor and writer, producer

of criminal minds, and Bluebeard on Audible.

And with me today is my great friend, Maureen O'Connell, 25-year veteran of the FBI and co-host of this show.

Thanks for listening. Yeah, it's great to see you, Maureen. And today we're going to kind of catch up on the Nancy Guthrie

abduction case. This is a very, very strange case. I mean, we both

worked cases where kids or adults are abducted, but nothing, nothing in my experience has ever

played out the way this case has. How about you? Absolutely. It's so weird,

Jim. And, you know, every case has its twists and turns and its ups and downs, but this one is like

being on a roller coaster without a seatbelt on, and you just never know what you're going to wake up to

and part of it i think i don't know if you agree or not but part of it for me is it seems like

there's just a bunch of pieces from different puzzles that we're trying to cram together because

some of these things just don't belong with each other.

Right.

It doesn't make sense.

Right.

And, you know, we've both been on the news over the last few weeks talking about this case,

trying to interpret the evidence that's coming out as it trickles out.

And there's a lot of, well, there's a lot of false narratives being played out out

there and there's a lot of people that are trying to I don't know just make things worse than

they actually are the fact is that this is a very serious case this This is any time you have an elderly person abducted,

being put through that kind of stress,

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