Well, here we go again. It's the way I heard it. I'm Mike Rowe and he is Chuck Klausmeier.

And our guest today, dare I say, Charles, is somebody we both have been enjoying slash admiring for the last couple years?

Let me just tell you, I was really excited knowing that Jeff Childers was coming in to spend

time talking to you.

Jeff is a lawyer, but don't hold that against him.

He has a practice and has had one for many years in the Gainesville area in the great state

of Florida.

And he was just being his lawyerly self, you know, minded his own business and the world went crazy and there were lockdowns

and there were mask mandates. And Mr. Childers, Esquire, had objections. Yes. And he began to voice

those objections and he was right there at the very beginning of the craziness. And he began to voice those objections, and he was right there at the very beginning of the craziness.

And he filed a suit against the county where he lives in northern Florida.

Long story short, started a Sisyphean battled.

And you'll hear how it turns out early on in our conversation. I really didn't invite him here to talk too much about lawyerly stuff, although as I think

about it, it was really important. And it's a really interesting backdrop for what he's become.

Well, it's how he got involved as well, because there were these cases where he had, you know,

as a lawyer does, you have people come to you and say, hey, I need a lawyer because I want to sue the county

because I don't believe I should have to get this vaccine.

And so it forces him as a lawyer, if he takes that case, to look up stuff.

And he said he was never political. He said, I maybe voted in every other presidential election.

And I didn't have a political bone in my body. And then I started researching this stuff and

started going, huh, this is really weird.

Like he looked into the mask studies,

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