475: Jan Jekielek—Killed to Order
The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe
The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe
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🗓️ 17 March 2026
⏱️ 100 minutes
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Summary
Mike talks with Jan Jekielek, senior editor at The Epoch Times and host of American Thought Leaders, to discuss his new book, Killed to Order: China's Organ Harvesting Industry and the True Nature of America's Biggest Adversary. It's an explosive investigation into allegations of state-sanctioned organ harvesting in China. Jan shares what he's learned from years of interviews with doctors, investigators, and even survivors of this gruesome industry where political prisoners are killed for their organs. The conversation is a rumination on good versus evil, raising urgent questions about human rights and medical ethics. Referenced in this episode is Jan's previous appearance on TWIHI 438: Jan Jekielek—The Terrible Truth About China
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| 0:00.0 | It's the way I heard it with me, Mike Roe, Chuck Klaus Meyer, standing by to push all the buttons. |
| 0:08.1 | Actually, that's not true. |
| 0:09.0 | You've already pushed the buttons, and you've already heard the conversation that's unfolded, |
| 0:12.4 | and you, it appears, are no less gobsmacked than I. |
| 0:15.5 | No, I love this guy. |
| 0:17.0 | I love what he does. |
| 0:18.1 | I love the honesty with which he talks about it. I love the heart |
| 0:23.3 | that he has about this because he's really trying to save people's lives is what he's trying |
| 0:28.6 | to do. Jan Yackelik is on a mission, has been for as long as I've known him. He's, I think he's the |
| 0:34.8 | chief editor over at Epic Times. and he has a show called American Thought |
| 0:40.4 | Leaders which I've been on once or twice and I've gotten to know the guy over the last few years |
| 0:45.3 | and early on he confided in me that the um the issue of his life is the organ harvesting that has been happening for a few decades now in China. |
| 1:00.8 | And, you know, I don't know what to do with that kind of information. |
| 1:05.1 | You think, you know, a guy, and he tells you that 90,000 political prisoners are being killed to order, literally. |
| 1:13.4 | You know, he's talking about the Falun Gong and the Uyghurs and a giant population of people |
| 1:19.4 | who have been incarcerated, whose blood has been typed, whose tissues have been tested, |
| 1:24.8 | and who are essentially just standing by to be harvested for an unbelievably |
| 1:31.3 | robust market of humans desperate for better working parts. These people are living in a place |
| 1:39.2 | against their will. They're in prison. And the prison they're in is right next to a hospital |
| 1:43.7 | where their organs will be extracted. And here's the thing, Mike. It's not like they're in prison, and the prison they're in is right next to a hospital where their organs will be |
| 1:45.2 | extracted. And here's the thing, Mike. It's not like they're murdered and they take their organs out. |
| 1:49.7 | They take their organs out while they're alive still and just toss away the bodies afterwards. |
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