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The SelfWork Podcast

470 SelfWork: How to Find Meaning In The Moment with Author Pam Roy

The SelfWork Podcast

Margaret Robinson Rutherford PhD

Education, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.81.3K Ratings

🗓️ 31 October 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

One of the most difficult things we all face is how to find meaning in the moments or experiences of our lives that are cruel or devastating, frightening or despairing. The very idea that that might be possible can seem to completely ignore the very real pain or injury of that moment. A book all about finding meaning... One of the most eye-opening books I ever read, I was introduced to in a freshman class I took in college. The course was geared toward the study of how different writers and philosophers, both ancient and present-day, had thought about how to do just that - find meaning. That book was Victor Frankl’s “Man’s Search for Meaning.” My guest on SelfWork today, Pam Roy, has co-authored a book that serves as a companion book, offering creative reflections on many of Victor Frankl’s essential ideas. She’s full of stories about Frankl – is an expert on both him and his work – and has dedicated much of her life on trying to help people (especially parents) understand that their job is to find their own meaning and model that journey for their children. Our Sponsors: * Check out BetterHelp and use my code betterhelp.com for a great deal: https://www.betterhelp.com Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

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0:00.0

This is self-work, and I'm Dr. Margaret Rutherford.

0:10.3

At self-work, we discuss psychological and emotional issues and what you can do about them,

0:15.7

whether that's learning self-acceptance, taking action, or seeking therapy or treatment.

0:21.3

Eight years ago, I extended the walls of my practice to reach those of you who might already be

0:26.1

knowledgeable about mental health treatment, but also to those of you who might say you'd never

0:31.3

darken the door of a therapist. And yet, you are here. I'll answer your questions while I invite

0:37.1

you to take a few minutes for your

0:39.1

own self-work. We impose what should be goals and whatever. Okay, you got to go to college,

0:47.1

you got to do all this stuff. Whereas Frankel said it must be self-chosen. It's about you following

0:52.5

your instinct saying, I'm curious, or even when you following your instinct, saying, I'm curious,

0:54.5

or even when you started your practice, or me, I'm not doing anything I ever in my life dreamed

0:59.8

I would be doing. I mean, I have just been following this bouncing ball and called to do these

1:05.2

things. Welcome to this week's edition of self-work. Perhaps one of the most difficult things we all face is how to find meaning in the moments or experiences of our lives that are cruel or devastating, frightening, or even despairing.

1:21.8

The very idea that that might be possible can seem to completely ignore the very real pain or injury of that moment.

1:29.6

One of the most eye-opening books I ever read I was introduced to in a freshman class I took

1:34.6

in college. The course was geared toward searching for different ways of finding meaning

1:39.7

in life and the study of how different writers and philosophers felt about that, both ancient and present day.

1:46.2

So the point of the course, I think he was even called something about finding meaning.

1:50.7

That book was Victor Frankel's Man's Search for Meaning.

1:54.4

I read it from cover to cover as he told the story of being a prisoner in four different encampments during the Holocaust.

2:02.8

What stayed with me in my 18-year-old wisdom was how he'd both held on to his sanity, and what he said may have

2:09.5

even kept him literally alive, was because he'd vowed to discover the tiniest shreds of meaning

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