Oh, what's up? What's up? Nick Lover here. Welcome to the side hustle show because you'll never

forget the first dollar you make outside of your day job. It's this super empowering moment.

And as always, my guests and I are here to help you experience that milestone and then keep on

climbing. As you know, tons of different ways to make money online. There's 450 something

episodes in the archives. Go binge on those. But the root of all of those different ways really

come down to one thing and that's helping people. Now a couple of different ways to go about that

that online entrepreneurs are doing that is by packaging up their knowledge and their experience

into an online training course or a membership program or community, but which model makes the

most sense for your business to find out. It is time for another side hustle showdown to help with

this debate. I've invited back to side hustle show favorites in corner number one, representing

the online course side. He's sold over two million dollars worth of his flagship online course

from Piano in 21days.com and the online course guy.com, Jack Hopkins. Welcome back to the show.

Hey, Nick. Thanks for the opportunity once again excited to get into this. You bet. And in corner

number two, representing the membership side of the debate. He and his wife sold their primary

membership site in the librarian niche for over a million dollars and now help other people

create and grow membership sites of their own from flipped lifestyle.com and the flipped

lifestyle podcast Shane Sam's welcome back to the show. Nick, I'm pumped, man. Let's go. Let's talk

a little bit. Let's get it after it. Let's do it. Let's start off with the content, the structure.

What are the main differences pros and cons? Maybe you guys see in what the actual product is that

you're delivering and when a jot kick us off on the content of a course. All right. Let's do it.

So I mean, Shane's got this Kentucky swagger going on over there. So I'm a little intimidated.

I don't the bad. I'm going to I'm going to do the best that I can to kind of represent courses.

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