Hello and welcome to best case, worst case.

This is Jim Clementi, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor and writer-producer

of criminal minds.

With me today is the lovely...

Maureen O'Connell, 25-year FBI agent, now retired.

I own my own security company, and I was on the FBI's

forensics team for almost 20 years. And with us today is my friend and former head of the ERT team in Los Angeles.

Hi, this is Frank Ashikki in Guam. Not so far away, but at a distance.

Well, Frank, it's great to have you back. And let's just jump right back into our conversation.

Now, Fish, you were talking about driving around like mad and what a lot of people don't realize

and what you alluded to a little bit, Jim, is that when you're doing surveillance, you know, you've got a couple cars for cover, meaning couple cars between you and

the bad guy's car, but you also have people paralleling on these other roads. And oftentimes,

that's where the fast driving goes because you're, you know, you know, you're one, you're one

street west and then you hear that he just turned east, and you've got to make up all that, all that speed, because you have to, you know, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if,. But the thing is, Maureen, the thing is, every 16-year-old in New York learns how to drive

like that. I mean, that's just how you have to learn how to drive in New York. Otherwise,

you just get run over, you know? It's a way of life. Yeah. It is. Well, talk about

surveillance rights. I got to share this one.

So I think one night we're following a organized crime guy or a terrorist guy.

And we're in the midst of heavy Hollywood traffic.

If you go to Hollywood, California, on a Friday night, Friday night.

Sunset Boulevard.

Yeah.

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