Hello and welcome to the best case, worst case.

This is Jim Clementi, retired FBI profile,

a former New York City prosecutor and writer-producer of criminal minds and bluebeard on Audible.

And with me today is?

Retired FBI agent, Maureen O'Connell.

You're more than just a retired FBI agent. Come on.

I don't know about that.

Come on. Don't you continue to work in this field?

Yes. I own a boutique security company, and we do investigations,

consultations, strategic advisements, and all kinds of really

cool, fun stuff. I work with just awesome people and I do really interesting things all the

time. And I also work with this knucklehead named Jim Clemente on a podcast called Best Case,

Worst Case. That's right. Well, I'm so happy to have you. Yeah, I miss Francie, but this is a whole

another world, being able to just kind of chill and talk to a great friend and colleague.

So, why don't today, why don't we just sort of go down memory lane and talk about,

you know, crazy things that happened during investigations or trials or, you know, things that we

never anticipated. I can start off with one. And it was a, it was a tough case. It was a, it was a rough

case because it was actually a federal judge who

was killed by the father of one of the one of the defendants that was in front of him. She happened to be

a little bit off mentally. And she refused. She just couldn't work with any lawyer so she wanted to represent

herself and she would literally she would sit in the witness box and then get sworn in and then

get up and ask the question then go back down and sit in the witness box and answer the question

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