450. AMMA — When Hiring Smart People Makes You Dumber

The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Michael Mogill

Marketing, Entrepreneurship, Business, Management

5.0 • 539 Ratings

🗓️ 2 April 2026

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

The people you surround yourself with either push you forward or quietly hold you back. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three listener questions that all point to the same tension: leaders who've scaled past seven figures often struggle to recalibrate the people they listen to, the way they make decisions, and the balance between intuition and expertise. This conversation reveals what happens when your growth outpaces your circle and how to fix it before it stalls your momentum. Here's what you'll learn: How to recognize when you've outgrown your peer group and what to do about it Why seeking too much input creates paralysis instead of clarity When to trust your instincts as a founder versus when to defer to expert advice If you want to scale without stalling, this episode will show you where the friction is coming from and how to fix it. ---- 01:52 — Michael explains why being in shape with kids is one of the biggest flexes as an adult 05:55 — Jessica reveals her new hobby that has taken over the kitchen 09:55 — How to manage people who are more experienced in their domain without just deferring to everything they say 12:40 — The game tape method: why reviewing the thought process behind decisions is the fastest way to improve leadership 14:02 — Why asking more people for advice often leads to more confusion instead of clarity 15:12 — What separates great leaders: the ability to decide and act despite uncertainty 17:54 — Why CFOs aren’t CEOs, and what that reveals about the role of financial expertise in growth decisions ---- Links & Resources: Who Wants to Be a Millionaire Resident Evil Requiem Call of Duty ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 428. AMMA — What To Do When You Outgrow Your Circles 407. AMMA — Why Playing It Safe Is the Most Dangerous Strategy 395. AMMA — Why Consensus Slows Growth and How to Fix It

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0:00.0	If we ever get off track, let's say in a department for a month or two months or whatever,
0:05.0	then I'm full up their ass, crawled up inside.
0:09.0	It's just, that's just the way it is.
0:10.0	At the end of the day, if you can't figure it out, then someone has to figure it out.
0:13.0	And if I can't figure it out, then we're all screwed.
0:15.0	I'm Michael Mogul, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law from growth
0:26.2	company.
0:27.2	I've built my business through practice, not theory.
0:29.9	Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in revenue
0:33.6	over the last few years, earning a spot on the Inc 500 list of the fastest growing private
0:38.1	companies in America. Our approach has been to take everything we've learned about generating
0:42.0	massive growth within our own organization and help the country's most ambitious and
0:46.0	committed law firm owners do the same for theirs. In each episode of this podcast, I sit down
0:50.4	with innovative market leaders from the legal industry and beyond to learn from
0:54.1	those who thrive in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means
0:58.5	to be a true game changer.
1:00.6	This is Jessica, head of coaching strategy at Chris, and today we're flipping the script
1:05.3	for another special edition episode to get Michael's take on.
1:09.1	Strategies for pushing back on an experienced hire without damaging
1:12.5	professional trust, moving beyond consensus-based leadership to maintain operational speed, and how to
1:18.5	balance your founder instincts against the technical data of a financial expert.
1:22.1	If you have a truly capable CFO that has a deep dive and understanding of your financials, I think they
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