449: It Will Go Well And It Will End (w/ Sarah Urist Green!)
Dear Hank & John
Complexly
4.9 • 8.5K Ratings
🗓️ 22 April 2026
⏱️ 47 minutes
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How do I overcome my fear of performance art? How do I visit an art museum properly? How do I speak about my own work without feeling like a total fartface? Do I pursue my dreams or pursue something practical? How do I come to terms with the fact that I depend on receiving attention and praise for my work? How does a person get real art for their home? Can you help me get out of a creative rut? How did you both balance creativity and parenting when you were new parents? …Sarah and John Green have answers!
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to a Complexly podcast. |
| 0:09.4 | Hello and welcome to dear Hank and John. |
| 0:12.2 | Or as we're calling it this week, dear Sarah and John. |
| 0:15.2 | It's a podcast where two spouses answer your questions, give you dubious advice, and bring you all the week's news from, well, we'll see. At any rate, Hank is not available this week, and so I'm joined by my favorite person, |
| 0:27.1 | my spouse, Sarah Eurist Green. Hello, Sarah. Hi, John. Thanks for having me. Oh, my gosh, thanks for being |
| 0:32.9 | here. We just recorded our hit Project for Awesome Only podcast, like letters, where we read the letters |
| 0:37.8 | that we wrote to each other before we started dating. Yes, and by letters, you mean emails. |
| 0:43.5 | I mean emails. And it's always a ride. It's always an interesting conversation departure point. |
| 0:50.9 | Yeah, we read the first emails we ever sent each other way back 23 years ago, |
| 0:57.3 | and we were already talking about art and writing, and here we are 23 years later, |
| 1:01.8 | still talking about art and writing all the time. That's right. And with the questions that we |
| 1:05.9 | have today, a lot of it is about, you guessed it, art and writing. Yeah. So let's hop right into it, Sarah. You got a question for me? Okay, yeah, this one comes from Abigail. Dear Sarah and John, I am working on my art history master's degree in order to get a job at an art museum. I have recently been confronted by my greatest art fear, performance art. Oh, my God. I attended a performance where the artist squirted syringes full of quote-unquote blood into audience members' mouths. |
| 1:33.5 | Yikes. |
| 1:34.1 | I knew that it couldn't actually be blood, but I did not want to find out. |
| 1:37.9 | Of course, the artist could sense my fear and came right up to me. |
| 1:41.8 | Turns out it was cherry juice. |
| 1:44.0 | If I'm going to work in contemporary art |
| 1:45.5 | museums, I'm going to encounter more performance art. How do I overcome this fear? Artworks and |
| 1:51.6 | anxiety, Abigail. Abigail, I share this fear on such a profound level. One of the first times |
| 1:57.0 | that Sarah and I ever hung out was at her art gallery where she was working. And there was, |
| 2:02.8 | it was an opening. And as part of the opening, one of the artists did a performance. And I'm just |
| 2:07.7 | going to throw it out there, Sarah. I don't think that artists, if you're like a sculptor, |
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