Christ eternalizes and the saints are indestructible.

Holiness is indestructible.

The clock's ticking on evil.

It's on its way out.

It's going to get dropped into nothingness soon enough upon Christ's return.

But all of the beautiful, all of the holy, the solidity.

I've always felt that as an Orthodox Christian.

Every step I've taken as an Orthodox Christian. Every step I've taken, as an

Orthodox Christian, I feel like it's a step towards solidity, to permanence, to being able to

conquer death in my own patheticness. And I think that's right. I think that one of the great

things about the kingdom of God is just absolutely indestructible.

This is Jonathan Peugeot-O.

Welcome to the symbolic world.

Hello, everyone.

I am here with Father Josiah Trenum.

Of course, everyone knows Father Josiah. It's such a joy to have him on the podcast, but I'm mostly happy because in a few weeks, he will be one of the main speakers at the Symbolic World Summit. We were surprised that he accepted. He's becoming so famous now. We don't even know. We don't even know. But we're really happy. We feel like he's definitely very much in line

with the things that symbolic world that we care about, that I care about. And so, you know,

I wanted to have him here, Ashley, to talk about how he integrates the different stories in his life,

his faith, how he integrates also, you know, his national

story, his family story, all that, because I've seen him do it beautifully. And so,

so Father Joseph, first of all, Christ is risen? Truly, he has risen, Jonathan. And so thanks

for talking to me. This is, this is something that I'm asking you because I want to know this

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