Most days, I feel like I don't know what I'm doing.

And most of the successful entrepreneurs that I speak to, the ones that are honest, also say the same thing.

I'm Michael Logel, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law firm growth company.

I've built my business through practice, not theory.

Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in revenue over the last few years,

earning a spot on the Inc 500 list of the fastest growing private companies in America.

Our approach has been to take everything we've learned about generating massive growth within our own organization and help the country's most ambitious and

committed law firm owners do the same for theirs. In each episode of this podcast, I sit down with

innovative market leaders from the legal industry and beyond to learn from those who thrive in

the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a true game

changer. This is Jessica, head of coaching strategy at Chris, and today we're flipping the script

for another special edition episode to get Michael's take on, the core components of a successful

business owner's identity and role, identifying the differences between a brilliant strategy

and fortunate outcomes, and how to evaluate the differences between a brilliant strategy and fortunate outcomes,

and how to evaluate the impact of leadership style versus objective firm performance.

Different leadership styles can work, absolutely. You see like Tim Cook did a marvelous job

once Steve Jobs had passed and Apple's market cap ruined the trillions, something that had never

done under Steve Jobs' leadership. That's coming up on the Game Changing Attorney podcast.

All right, here we are for AMMA.

We are back. Got a good story for you today. I mean, we got several stories before we get into the AMMA. I mean, we got, so we recently got back from Disney. Took the kids to Disney. This has been, almost become like an annual tradition, is what our tradition, expectation, whatever you want to call it. Expectation for us or for them? Them. But this is what, the fourth time? Yeah. Fourth time. It gets better every year. And man, this year, I mean, it started out. It was just amazing all the way through. We get to the hotel. First thing we do, of course, is go check out the fitness center. Of course. And what do you know

run into a master's winner, Roy McElroy himself, right? Just walking around, right? Get a little workout out and like, hey man, let me help you with that. You know, let's get a couple deadlifts in. Let's get a couple bicep curls. Let's get a photo. Nobody, nobody around us even knew who he was.

I was like,

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