446. AMMA — How to Know If Hard Work Is Worth It

The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Michael Mogill

Marketing, Business, Management, Entrepreneurship

5.0 • 539 Ratings

🗓️ 19 March 2026

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

The hardest part of building something real isn't the work. It's waiting for the work to matter. In this AMMA episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill explore one of the least discussed truths about business growth: the lag between effort and result. From the quiet judgment you'll face for decisions others don't understand, to the compounding power of doing the same boring thing for years, this episode unpacks why most entrepreneurs quit right before the breakthrough. If you're questioning whether what you're doing is actually working, this conversation will reframe how you measure progress. Here's what you'll learn: Why caring less about what others think becomes easier (and more valuable) as you get older How to recognize when slow progress is actually compounding momentum, not wasted effort What separates entrepreneurs who scale from those who pivot too early If you're doing the right thing but not seeing results yet, this episode is your reminder to trust the process a little longer. ---- 01:49 — Michael and Jessica open the AMMA by reflecting on what has genuinely gotten easier with age and experience. 02:25 — Michael explains how small technological conveniences slowly reshape daily habits and expectations. 05:05 — Michael questions whether too much automation weakens problem-solving instincts. 07:02 — Why recovery changes as you get older and what that teaches about respecting physical limits. 08:20 — Michael reflects on how maturity changes the way you interpret challenges and handle stress. 10:11 — Michael explains why leaders cannot respond to every message, request, or opportunity. 11:00 — The leadership tradeoff between being accessible and protecting your focus. 12:23 — Michael breaks down how to decide which problems actually deserve your attention. 13:50 — Why watching someone succeed with less effort should inspire you, not frustrate you. 21:40 — The difference between rewarding effort and rewarding results (and why one builds firms that scale). 25:39 — Why the decisions you made in 2015 matter more to your life today than anything you did last year. ---- Links & Resources: Tesla Autopilot Waymo Johann Wolfgang von Goethe ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 401 — AMMA — From Girl Dad to CEO: The Michael Mogill Playbook 387 — AMMA — Stop Cleaning Up Their Mess: The Secret to a Self-Sufficient Team 143 — AMMA — Ask Michael Mogill Anything: Teslas, Distractions, and Rebuilding from Zero

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0:00.0	You could grow your business, you can scale, you can scale to different levels.
0:05.0	Now are you going to be John Morgan? Probably not, but you can be a way better version of you.
0:10.0	I'm Michael Logel, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law firm growth company.
0:21.2	I've built my business through practice, not theory.
0:23.9	Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in revenue over the last few years,
0:29.2	earning a spot on the Inc. 500 list of the fastest growing private companies in America.
0:33.7	Our approach has been to take everything we've learned about generating massive growth within our own organization and help the country's most ambitious and committed law firm owners do the same for theirs.
0:42.6	In each episode of this podcast, I sit down with innovative market leaders from the legal industry and beyond to learn from those who thrive in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a true game changer.
0:59.5	This is Jessica, head of coaching strategy at crisp, and today we're flipping the script for another special edition episode to get Michael's take on, challenging the fundamental belief
1:04.6	that hard work is the primary driver of success, how to find the threshold for retaining
1:09.2	staff who demonstrate high effort but low output,
1:12.3	and differentiating between the need for patients and the signs of a failing strategic direction.
1:17.5	Those types of decisions you're making compound over time. You may not feel that impact right
1:22.1	away. You may not feel in three months, six months, sometimes even a year. But then you'll look
1:26.3	back, I could say confidently,
1:27.7	the life we live today is a function of decisions we made 10 plus years ago.
1:33.2	That's coming up on the Game Changing Attorney podcast.
1:49.0	All right. Time to do it. Another AMMA. We are back and I got a little thought starter for you, Jessica.
1:54.0	So I wanted to ask you, what is something that has gotten easier as we've gotten older?
2:01.8	And I got an answer.
2:02.8	I thought about this before.
2:04.1	You don't know my answer yet.
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