This is Joy.

And this is Claire.

And this is Joy and Claire.

A weekly podcast talk show about the things that bring us together.

Make us happy.

Make us whole.

Make us human.

Hey, guys. Make us human. Hey guys, this is Joy and Claire.

And this week on the show, we have a guest.

We have Casper Terkyle.

And he's the author of The Power of Ritual.

And he's also the co-host of the award-winning podcast, Harry Potter and the Sacred

Text. Can you already tell that Claire is extremely excited for this episode? We sat down with

Casper. He is a lovely, lovely human. We had a really great conversation about rituals and what they

mean in our lives and how they impact our lives today, especially. I cry and it's very emotional.

But at the beginning, I had to edit in this beautiful part where we're kind of setting up for

the episode and lo and behold, Casper starts pouring himself a cup of tea from an actual

teapot.

I had to leave that in the episode.

Anyway, here's the episode with Casper Terkile.

Hello, there we go.

Hi.

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