Hey, everybody. Two amazing guests today, you know, for a change.

Joyce Vance, former U.S. attorney from the Northern District of Alabama, appointed by Barack Obama.

Joyce, Vance, not related to Cy Vance, the Manhattan DA, who will no doubt be prosecuting Donald Trump on all matter of tax and financial misconduct.

I was so excited to have Joyce Vance on because she's a regular MSNBC contributor and always explains complex legal matters in a

manner that I find especially clear and precise and incisive. I am honored as well to have

Prit Barrara, the former U.S. attorney from the Southern District of New York, who was fired right at the top of the

Trump administration, like just about every other U.S. attorney around the country. But first order

of business had to be getting rid of Preet, being in the Southern District of New York, which was, of

Donald Trump's home,

where he is suspected of committing any number of any variety of crimes.

Trump remains individual number one to Michael Cohn's individual number two

in the scheme to pay Stormy Daniels, an adult film

actress, and Karen McDougall, a playboy playmate to stay quiet about their sexual relations

with individual number one. That's Trump, not Cohn, individual number two.

And evangelicals, they were able to roll with that.

And you can only imagine the myriad of other crimes that Trump may have committed within that jurisdiction.

He is, of course, innocent until proven guilty. Let's not forget

that. This is the United States of America. And Joyce and Preet and I discuss whether President

Trump can pardon himself and escape federal prosecution until maybe the Supreme Court finally says, look, I know you appointed

three of us, but the president cannot pardon himself. Preet is also the host of Stay Tuned,

his podcast about all matters of law, much in the last few years involving Donald Trump and his administration.

Presumably, that will change.

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