Hello. Hello everybody I'm talking today with Dean Phillips, an American businessman and

congressman who served as the representative of Minnesota's third district since 2019.

I met Dean several years ago.

I found him a very interesting person.

He ran a very singular campaign when he first ran for Congress, one that was very positively inclined and he struck me as a very intelligent and perspicacious, moderate on the Democrat side. And so we've had a fair bit of contact over the years recently and of

particular relevance to this podcast Dean ran for president on the Democrat

side and I was very interested and he dropped out of that race about a week and a half ago something like that and

He ran into monolithic opposition and his and his campaign was scuttled in a variety of complex

manners and I think the reason for that is of wide general interest. I think he would have been a provided a very credible

alternative to the aging Biden, should have been highly acceptable to the

Democratic elite and public as well and really got nowhere to speak of in his

moving forward. Now that hasn't hurt him personally because he's a very resilient person

and he has many of many options at his

disposal what happened to him does speak volumes about the state of

political affairs in the US more broadly. And so we delve into that.

And what his experience signifies

for the understanding of the political realm in general

in the US and in the West, and also,

we investigate, the comparative pathologies, let's say, of the Democrat and the Republican sides respectively. So join us for that.

Well, Dean, it's been a long time that we've been plotting to get together to talk publicly and so now we get to do it and it's going to be, presume somewhat of a post-mortem so to speak.

You recently ran for president and I am very interested to know I think we should start probably with the description of why you

ran like what you thought the problem was and what you hope to accomplish and

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