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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

438. Aboutness, Secular vs. Religious Ethics, & Plato’s Aviary | Dr. Daniel Dennett

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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Education, Science, Society & Culture

4.634.5K Ratings

🗓️ 8 April 2024

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with writer, philosopher, and cognitive scientist Dr. Daniel Dennett. They discuss the concepts of aboutness, intention, and the highest good as they relate to the religious and secular worlds, the establishment of trust and ethics outside of transcendent presupposition, and the loss of academic freedom at the misapprehension of postmodernism. Dr. Daniel Dennett is an American philosopher, writer, and cognitive scientist. He has published dozens of books, such as Consciousness Explained (1992), Darwin's Dangerous Idea: Evolution and the Meanings of Life (1996), and Breaking the Spell: Religion as Natural Phenomena (2007). - Links - 2024 tour details can be found here https://jordanbpeterson.com/events Peterson Academy https://petersonacademy.com/ For Dr. Daniel Dennett: On X https://twitter.com/danieldennett?lang=en The Problem with Counterfeit People (Article on AI, the Atlantic) https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/05/problem-counterfeit-people/674075/ Consciousness Explained (Book) https://www.amazon.com/Consciousness-Explained-Daniel-C-Dennett/dp/0316180661 I’ve Been Thinking (Book) https://www.amazon.com/Ive-Been-Thinking-Daniel-Dennett/dp/0393868052 Breaking the Spell: Religion as Natural Phenomena (Book) https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Spell-Religion-Natural-Phenomenon/dp/0143038338

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0:00.0

Hello, Hello everybody. I had the opportunity today to talk to the philosopher

0:18.9

Daniel Dennett who along with Sam Harris and Christopher

0:21.8

Hitchins and Richard Dawkins is probably perhaps best known to the world as one of the four horsemen of the an atheist movement that was being so influential over the last 20 years and as many of you know I've had

0:36.2

many discussions with Sam Harris and a couple of discussions with Richard Dawkins, another

0:40.6

one hypothetically forthcoming and it occurred to me a couple of weeks ago that I hadn't

0:45.6

spoken with Dr. Daniel Dennett and I felt that that would be enlightening and necessary. And so today we talked about his understanding

0:56.0

of the relationship between science and morality,

0:59.6

the relationship between morality and the secular and the

1:03.2

relationship between morality, the secular and the religious.

1:06.6

And we exchanged our views about how those different systems of

1:11.6

apprehension and conception might be interrelated and

1:17.0

talked about the difficulties in both discussing and reconciling the scientific and religious views.

1:27.0

Dr. Dennett's viewpoint is that the religious viewpoint

1:31.0

has been superseded, fundamentally, that it might have been a necessary precondition for civilized development, but that it's been superseded.

1:40.0

And we got a long ways in that discussion, not to the end and for obvious reasons, but welcome

1:49.2

to the exchange.

1:51.9

So Dr. Dennett, and I will call you, Dan,

1:55.0

I'm very interested in talking to you about your ideas about religious belief and practice.

2:03.0

And you may know that I've talked to some of the people who you've been intellectually associated with.

2:10.0

I've had two discussions with Richard Dawkins, and I think we're planning a third if

2:14.0

if the information I'm getting is correct and I've spoken with Sam Harris a number of

2:18.8

times and I think we we share a lot of interests you and I and one of them is a very deep interest I would say and I was

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