Hello everybody I'm talking today with journalist and author Michael Schellenberger and

Michael wrote Apocalypse Never why environmental Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts us All, and also San Francisco.

He has a new book coming out called Pathocracy.

It won't launch until next year.

But I'm talking to him today about something more specific

and more controversial, I suppose.

And that's the recent, his recent release of the so-called W- Path files.

Now, W- Path is the arguably in association, but certainly not professional

and also an organization that has like nothing to do whatsoever with health.

And so we walk through his release of about 170 pages of material documenting the activities of this group.

It's important because this association has issued the guidelines upon which the more

established medical, psychological, psychiatric communities

have predicated their analysis of the gender dysphoria phenomenon, it's a way of thinking about it,

and from whom they've taken advice about

proceeding with this absolutely atrocious sterilization and butchery that the medical community and the

counseling community have become complicit in in what?

Complicit in criminally propagating.

How about that?

Right, so we're going to discuss all that and we're going to see what happens as a consequence. So come on board for the ride.

You were instrumental in the release of the so-called W-path files very recently,

and you keep dumping catastrophes into the public sphere.

Yeah, yeah.

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